Posts by Ultimate Axiom

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1914 Dropped

by pale.emperor in

so i was observing an online conversation between a jw and a former-jw.

the non-jw pointed out that wwi cant have had anything to do with satan supposedly being "cast out of heaven" because wwi was already well under way in oct 1914.. the jw proceeds to explain that satan was actually thrown down to the earth in 1915 and that he started to wreak havock on the earth from heaven knowing he was about to be cast out.. so 1914 is officially old light now?

does anyone have a source for that or was this brother lying through his teeth?.

Ultimate Axiom

So, when it became clear to him that Jesus would be enthroned and there was nothing he could do about it, he began his campaign of worldwide destruction.

The naivety of it all! Like Satan thought he stood any chance of thwarting the almighty God? He knew there was nothing he could do about it in the garden of Eden. They portray these individuals like they have all the acumen of human beings, but then that’s exactly what you would expect from a bunch of fairy tales made up by primitive people over 3,000 years ago. I still find it hard to believe that I ever swallowed all that bullshit.

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The Power Of Unconditional Love

by 1234 in

jw
friends

the most powerful love in the universe is unconditional love.. a love that has no requirements or conditions.

no actions are necessary to receive it.. this love is all around us and can be easily seen.

watch any mother with its new born baby.

Ultimate Axiom

Unconditional love is unhealthy.

Exactly, and it can also be dangerous. The Kray twin’s mother had such a love, and thus supported her sons no matter what evil they got up to.

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The Power Of Unconditional Love

by 1234 in

jw
friends

the most powerful love in the universe is unconditional love.. a love that has no requirements or conditions.

no actions are necessary to receive it.. this love is all around us and can be easily seen.

watch any mother with its new born baby.

Ultimate Axiom

We impose conditions upon contact or whatever, but the love, if real is still there. Just as the love for a person who has died is still there, even though the person is not

Up to a point - if my son turned into a child killing paedophile I would still have the “unconditional love” that I had for him before he turned, just as in your example of a dead relative. But I would not love him now – how could I? I couldn’t love any child killing paedophile, so why should my son be any different just because he’s my son. (He’s not by the way, and I love him now as much as ever).

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The Power Of Unconditional Love

by 1234 in

jw
friends

the most powerful love in the universe is unconditional love.. a love that has no requirements or conditions.

no actions are necessary to receive it.. this love is all around us and can be easily seen.

watch any mother with its new born baby.

Ultimate Axiom

if what some call Love is "conditional", it is not really Love at all

I find this concept rather confusing. Parental love is probably the closest you can get to unconditional love, but should it be truly unconditional? If my son turned out to be a murdering pedophile, should my love continue to protect him? If he turned into another Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot, should I still love him? Could I even? I don’t think I could. It seems to me that love is always conditional. Conditional on the object of our love remaining a decent human being.

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I don't get it - Praying before eating while ...

by menrov in

i noticed recently.

there was an item in the news on some terrible / horrific child pornography in germany.

really disgusting to hear what these people were doing with children as young as a few months.

Ultimate Axiom

Totally agree with all three of you. On a slightly different slant, I was always amused at those witnesses who gave thanks before eating the wonderful gift god had provided, and then turned their noses up at it because it wasn't cooked to their liking. Such gratitude in the face of so many that are going hungry But why are so many going hungry? - perhaps they just aren't thanking god properly like good JWs.

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

Ultimate Axiom

either way it still makes no logical sense

I never said (nor did I wish to imply) that it made any sense. It is arguably the most absurd explanation of a biblical text ever proposed, but if we're going to shoot it down, we ought to at least be accurate about what we are shooting down

The WTS came up with a theological spin that has no relevance to intellectual honesty or either scriptural support from the bible.

Absolutely agree - you've only got to go to the start of Matthew's gospel to see that (Matt 1:17).

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

Ultimate Axiom

It's been said before (even earlier in this thread) but it seems to need saying again - the WTS does NOT teach "overlapping generations". It teaches ONE generation composed of overlapping groups within that generation.

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